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Keep up the good work! I was home schooled for first 10 years and the rest of it i went to public school which was very disappointing. My mom homeschooled me in phonics and i was lightyears ahead of my public school classmates it was a nightmare my first day witnessing this.

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My husband and I watched the video last night and it inspired quite a revelatory discussion between us. My husband has been trying to write fiction professionally as a career for 3 years now, since he lost his last job and has had difficulty finding work in our area. I myself have started dabbling in short story writing and do intend to go onto longer works when time and energy allow, though my goals for writing will always be in the hobbyist direction.

We have been in writers groups for a few years, attended writing conferences both good and bad, and talked to other writers who are successfully selling books. However, when we look at what they are publishing, as we sincerely wish to further the rising tide principle, we have found that most of what our fellows and peers are publishing are simply not enjoyable to us, nor of a quality to which we ourselves aspire. Further, much of the advice we have been given on how to write to find audiences, or worse, in the requirements of publishers and editors within the small presses, and even for those which admire the classics of the past or the pulps of the early 20th century, have been quite lacking in depth and most often follow a standard or formula that is expected by, as they say, "modern audiences."

Your video has shown a light on why this is so. It is not just that writers themselves do not understand grammar or the English language and have not advanced in literary criticism or have reading comprehension still on primary grade levels, it is also the editors today editing and guiding those writers; it is also the publishers publishing this material. Not only have the readers themselves been poorly trained in how to write because they have been poorly trained in how to read and cannot comprehend language, so to have the editors. Not only have the writers been trained to think and interpret and write according to a particular formulaic style deemed "right" by their educators, so too have modern readers and editors themselves. This explains to me the rise of writing guides and programs such as "Save the Cat" or "The Snowflake Method" or "Story Grid", or the insistence that all writing must be 3 act structures or a hero's journey with its formula, and so on.

And as you also mentioned, not only are most readers, writers, editors, and other publishing professionals woefully lacking in their understanding of grammatic concepts, literary analysis, prosody (thank you for teaching me a new word there!), and the inflections and nuances of the English vocabulary, they are ignorant of their own ignorance, and are instead in many cases arrogantly proud of it!

This, I now realize, is why, when I say I want to write westerns like Louis L'Amour or Zane Gray, or write adventure like Robert Louis Stevenson or mystery like Agatha Christy or Arthur Conan Doyle, I am often told that while its good to admire these giants of the field, I must not try to write like them because that style is "out of date, archaic, and not acceptable to modern audiences." Once such publisher who has videos on Youtube - Falstaff Books https://youtu.be/C6o-MFNPzgE - even stated flatly in a video on reasons why a manuscript was being rejected that "you are not Tolkien" and if Tolkien were writing today, even he would not have been allowed to write Lord of the Rings as he did then; even Tolkien would have been forced to write according to modern standards. When I brought the horror of this particular statement to the attention of a discord community of writers of which I am a member, I was told that "of course that is so; modern writing methods have evolved beyond those of Tolkien's day." Such statement left me perplexed and rather appalled for I do not consider modern writing to be evolutionarily advanced beyond even the writing of the mid twentieth century; frankly, I consider modern writing of the last 30 years especially to be devolution and regression.

This particular realization, however, has left something of a pall upon me and my husband. We both grew up reading older literature. As a teenager I readily and eagerly entertained myself with novels such as "Ivanhoe", "The Three Musketeers", "Robin Hood", "Innocents Abroad", "Treasure Island," "Gulliver's Travels", "The Black Arrow," and even "Canterbury Tales." I read the unabridged version of "Kidnapped" when I was 11 years old. I've read Shakespeare for fun; I've read almost every Sherlock Holmes story written by Doyle. I was taught to read using the A-Beka system from Pensacola Christian College in the 80's which was phonics based.

Looking back at this, I can see now how this sort of reading expanded not only my vocabulary but my reading comprehension skills. Nowadays, while I do not read much fiction, I do read older non-fiction, especially Spurgeon and other religious writers of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, writing which requires a great deal of concentration to understand.

But I enjoy this sort of intellectual stimulation; reading such in depth and profound writing slows me down, captures my full attention, and enables me to absorb the subject matter and retain it for future contemplation in ways that modern, "easy" writing does not.

I want more of this sort of writing and I wish that if possible, my own attempts at writing mimic that of the past. As does my husband. But this leaves us at an impasse. We are told to "write what you want to read." Indeed, many of the great writers such as Tolkien wrote what they did because they simply wanted more of what they liked and could not find it by anyone else. This is precisely why both of us wish to write.

But we also wish to find an audience, and in my husband's case, wish to sell enough books to be able to supplement our income and be a "full time" author. For him, this creates a tense situation that I do not know how to rectify. If he writes the way he wishes and emulates the style of the greats that so impacted him, the audience that will be able to read, comprehend, and enjoy such writing is small and vanishing each year. Further, it will be against all the advice given by our peers and will set us even further apart in the circle of influence and connections we have found to help us find readers, especially as independent authors or authors who wish to work with small independent presses.

However, the only option left is just as unpalatable: followed said advice, dumb down the language, follow the "modern" formulas and methods, cut out dialogue tags, descriptions, adverbs in all cases, be sure to cut to the action as soon as possible, write first person or third person close only, and wash and repeat. This will reach more readers who are only capable of reading material written in this manner, and would lead to more opportunities in the small press sphere of influence, but not only will such writing feel demeaning and not in line with what we love, it has the very real danger of stunting our own reading comprehension and ability to wield grammar and vocabulary effectively. Indeed, I've already seen this to some extent in myself; I suffered a twelve year drought of writer's block after spending years reading fan fiction; I came to realize that my own voice and writing ability fell to the level of what I was reading; if I was reading mediocre writing, my own writing fell to match. If I wish to write like the greats of the past, I must find time to read them and not only read them, but practice writing in their style, and damn the editors or peers who try to tell me otherwise.

For me personally, this does mean I must accept that my audience shall be small; should I succeed in writing anywhere close to the style I admire, there will be few out there today who will have the ability to read and grasp it. So be it; this is the freedom of being a hobbyist writer.

For my husband and others who are in the same quandary, I do not know the answer. For if the education system of the last 40 years has so dumbed down society that they cannot comprehend or read advanced writing, where is the professional writer to find an audience for his own advanced writing?

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